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Is The Warriors just a grimy ’79 gang flick with face paint and leather vests… or a neon‑lit Greek epic about outcasts, cops, capitalism, and who actually runs New York after dark? We start with the question, “Is The Warriors a popular movie?” and immediately end up asking, “Then why does everybody know the quotes but not the film?”
In this episode of Everything on Nothing, Mickey, Christian, and I track The Warriors from its chaotic theatrical release (with real gangs showing up to screenings and studio execs yanking the ads) to its second life as a cult classic, a Rockstar beat ’em up, and a movie your favorite shows won’t shut up about. We dig into how a supposedly “small” gang film, built by a stacked crew (Walter Hill, Frank Marshall, future Alien producers, set dressers from Superman and Raging Bull), quietly helped shape the look and feel of ’80s and ’90s Hollywood.
We talk:
- How The Warriors leapfrogged from box office troublemaker to cult royalty, quoted in The Simpsons, Family Guy, Community, Spike Lee joints, and even John Wick 4
- The Greek epic hiding under the subway grime: Anabasis, the Odyssey vibes, the long walk home to Coney Island, and why this feels less like “crime drama” and more like myth in denim vests
- Why the Baseball Furies, Orphans, and other crews play like video game factions... and how that visual language made the 2005 Rockstar game feel inevitable
- The radio DJ as Greek chorus, beaming coded messages to every gang in the city, and how that idea echoes through Do the Right Thing and modern action movies
- David Patrick Kelly’s feral Luther, the improvised “Warriors, come out to play‑ay,” and his secret MVP career from Dreamscape to Twin Peaks and John Wick
- The politics under the cult‑movie sheen: New York’s real gang history, Irish cops, Hell’s Kitchen, and the theory that Luther isn’t just unhinged... he’s a tool of the people in power sent to blow up Cyrus’s plan for unity
- Costumes and set dressing as storytelling: wet streets, subway maps, graffiti, Kiss‑inspired face paint, and all the little background choices that turn ’70s NYC into a living comic book
In between, we swap:
- The story of the half‑drunk Bronx guy at a Florida bar who spent 30 straight minutes insisting we watch “this movie they filmed in the Bronx, right there in the Bronx” until we finally tracked it down on Netflix
- That first watch where we realized we’d been absorbing Warriors references our whole lives (radio drops, sitcom gags, throwaway movie lines) and only now had the key
- The Warriors‑themed art show we threw at a tiny Orlando bar: themed cocktails, the PS2 game running in a corner, action figure art titled “Warriors Come Out to Play,” subway‑map collages, and a gorgeous Mercy portrait that still lives on our wall
- How the film keeps echoing through Cyberpunk 2077, tabletop RPGs, and the way people imagine “New York after dark,” long after the real city cleaned up
It’s part cult‑cinema history, part personal confession, part love letter to every weirdo who ever discovered a movie way too late and then realized it had been quietly rewiring culture (and their own brain) since before they were born.
Can you dig it? Can you dig it? Can you dig it? Hello and welcome to Everything on Nothing where everything uh is connected and nothing really matters. I am your host, Mickey, and if you ask me a question, I will answer it thoroughly. And uh part of the uh gangs here is uh my life partner and producer, Jackie.
SPEAKER_03Hey there.
SPEAKER_01And uh from the uh darker side of the city streets, it's our uh excellent uh designer and CFO of the Orphans, Christian.
SPEAKER_06From my candlelit bungalow, apparently, which is what it looks like these lights are doing. I'm the shadowy, shadowy financial officer of the New York City Orphans Gang.
SPEAKER_03This is the romantic episode of Everything on Nothing.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, usually usually my light will change as the as the sun sets, but uh I think today it's just gonna be real wacky.
SPEAKER_01So as we uh got done talking about punk rock uh and equating that to the Roman Empire, I think I think we might have touched on that a little bit.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, we we made it get there.
SPEAKER_01Uh and uh other basically we've shown that punk rock was uh in in an upgrowing in the 70s.
SPEAKER_03And still was aren't there two things you want to do before we start talking about the Warriors? You want to promote our folks?
SPEAKER_01Let me get the question out first and then we'll okay.
SPEAKER_03Sorry. Okay, sorry.
SPEAKER_01Uh, but uh yeah, in the 70s we had an uprising of punk rock mentality, and that also uh started showing in some of the movie making, including some of the biggest stars to ever make movies, including Steven Spielsberg and uh George Lucas, and uh the guy responsible for The Godfather and the guy responsible for the movie we're talking about, uh The Warriors. And the question posed to us was are the Warriors is the Warriors a popular movie? Uh before we do dive into it and rip it all apart, uh we'll go ahead and then check in, see how everyone's doing. Jackie, uh, any anything good in your realm?
SPEAKER_03Yeah, uh, so on Tuesday, the city of Canton is sending a car for me, and they're gonna drive me three and a half hours to Canton to spend four nights there and just kind of explore the city. Uh in case I write an article about them one day.
SPEAKER_01The the nice thing is it's not a it's not uh quid pro quo. It is simply let me show you the city. They they recognize your talent as a writer and your ability to pull out all the details and really uh I guess take joy in and celebrate the good things that you find. And and in doing so, uh you've put up hundreds and hundreds, five hundred, six hundred five hundred and nineteen, I think, is what I'm at now. Articles about uh different places around the Midwest and other states. Uh and also your ongoing blog at valley of o.com. You kind of continuously uh express joy and happiness there about things that you find and love. And uh and the people uh I guess the marketing department of Canton, Ohio has recognized that, and they're like, hey, let's show her a good time and see if she can uh find something to love about Canton, Ohio.
SPEAKER_03I already have one idea for an article that I'm gonna pitch, depending on how my visit goes, of course. But um, so in Canton, Ohio, the football, uh, the football hall of fame is there, which I know because of the chair company starring uh Ron Trosper, what the Tim Robinson.
SPEAKER_01Creator and star of the Detroiters.
SPEAKER_03Yes. Um, so I'm gonna go to the Football Hall of Fame and just pitch something like I am not a football girly, but here are the things that I loved about the Football Hall of Fame because I know me, I love loving things. I know I'm gonna find cool things there that like normal, like the wives going with their husbands might be more interested in. I don't know. It's an idea.
SPEAKER_06That's actually I've always I've always admired that about you is that you love you love to be a fan. I love it, and that's like such a refreshing attitude. In uh uh I think like this is an era of content being very like rage and uh and negative driven because it's it's it's it's much more viral, unfortunately, than like happy things are. So it's but it's nice to see someone really actively drilling against that, where it's like here is at you at a certain you almost wonder what's going on in Canton that they're like please write about us. But uh but but it's like Canton is probably a wonderful little city full of little things that you can enjoy, like the Football Hall of Fame, not really small, but there's you will find I've noticed in your stuff, you like to find the little things.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, yeah. One of the things I'm most excited about visiting in Canton is uh a place called the Troll Hole, which is apparently the country's largest troll museum. Uh, I'm really excited about it.
SPEAKER_06I'm sorry you're gonna say the world's the country's largest troll hole. I didn't know that was a that was a competition that was happening.
SPEAKER_03One of the other things they're gonna show me is Frankenstein's grave, and I can't even like conceptualize what that could possibly be. And I intentionally haven't looked it up so I can be surprised. Um, and then they're gonna have I I I said one of the things that I'm interested in is street art, and so they're gonna have one of the owners of a gallery there take me on a tour of all the street art of Canton. Like, I think it's gonna be really fun, like I'm really excited.
SPEAKER_01And uh good.
SPEAKER_03And I was just gonna say, and I've never had anybody send a car for me, and that's just gonna be weird.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, uh you're a travel blogger now, you know, for real.
SPEAKER_01And in the same vein, um, you have been invited to a festival in Nebraska, a Swedish festival, Swedish festival in Nebraska.
SPEAKER_03Yes. That just that just happened today as I was asking permission to use pictures from their website.
SPEAKER_01And if you listen to uh uh Reasonably Afraid, they one of the movies that they covered was Midsalmer. Oh, one of my favorite Ray Reyes pronounces it Midsalmer.
SPEAKER_03I can't hear it in any other way now because of him.
SPEAKER_01Uh and so uh Jackie wrote an article and asked for some pictures, and the lady that is is very tied into it has basically invited her and said she would be the personal escort throughout it. Uh so eventually uh Jackie's going to be spending mid-salmer in uh in Nebraska.
SPEAKER_03So and uh not just anybody, she is a former former Swedish queen. Like she was a Swedish queen one year at the Swedish festival, so that's a pretty big deal.
SPEAKER_05You know, I was queen once.
SPEAKER_02You are a Swedish queen.
SPEAKER_07That's wrong.
SPEAKER_06Hey, that's insane that uh that there's a lady out there in Nebraska who was a queen of a country. That seems wrong. That seems like you should have like a mansion somewhere in Sweden that you're staying. Oh wait, you for real?
SPEAKER_03Like she was an actual Swedish queen, or she was just a queen of the queen of the Swedish festival in Bromsburg, Nebraska.
SPEAKER_01Queen of Midsommer.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, the Midsommer Swedish queen. The festival queen. What if this what if this festival in Nebraska is just like laying in the grass and doing mushrooms, though?
SPEAKER_01Hey, whatever, man.
SPEAKER_06Seems like Nebraska has more figured out than the other states, maybe.
SPEAKER_03I will say that uh sorry, uh as I learn more and more about the Midwest, every state has something cool about it. But uh Mickey wants to move on, so let's move on. I could talk about this forever.
SPEAKER_00How you doing, Christian? How are things in Christianville?
SPEAKER_06Uh, you know, uh uh about to start uh a new, an exciting new job and uh trying to fix an exciting old truck. That is what's happened in my life. And shelves. Always shelves, always more shelving. Soon behind me will be nothing but shelves and the things I finally got off the ground and and on them.
SPEAKER_01There are there are a lot of people that just completely discount the the necessity and the value of horizontal space.
SPEAKER_06Like I was working for many years.
SPEAKER_01I have so much junk, like I need to spread my stuff out to find like I know where everything is if it's spread out, but as soon as I pack like as soon as I put it in a backpack, it is gone. If I put it in a closet, it's gone. If I put it in a drawer, it never existed. So I need horizontal space. I I need to get more shelves, I need to cover like every single wall, like every two inches up the wall. I need space, a shelf that way. I could just lay everything out and know where everything is.
SPEAKER_03Like they could they could slide out so you could like look at everything on them and then just slide them back in.
SPEAKER_01No, it would disappear in my brain. Oh, it would have to be visible.
SPEAKER_06And do you ever think to yourself, like, how much of this wall could I cover in pegboard?
SPEAKER_01It would be awesome. Uh, I know like my father had um a garage, and at one point we redid the kitchen, and he took all the old kitchen shelves and put them in the garage, and then everything, everything that wasn't covered by the old kitchenette or the kitchen shelves and stuff, he put up pegboard, and it was just pegboard everywhere. And then when he became a uh uh locksmith, he got more pegboard and it was filled with keys. Like I think my sister, uh, after after she cleaned up the house after his after he passed away, uh, I think she said it was a uh 14 cubic ass tons of keys that she had to get rid of. And she just I was like, Did you melt them down and stuff? And she's like, No, I just I had to get rid of them. It was just so many keys.
SPEAKER_06Surrender them to the key man.
SPEAKER_03How are things in Mickey Town?
SPEAKER_01Uh looking up, hopefully, uh I might start teaching uh and actually turn the professor house into the professor's house. So we'll see how that turns out.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, unintentionally.
SPEAKER_01Um, so uh I guess uh yeah, uh big shout out to uh Zach again from uh Reasonably Afraid. Uh he's editing the shows. Uh right now we haven't released anything, so if you're listening to this, you've listened to the stuff that we've released, so it's kind of a time warpy thing. But at this point, we just recorded a bunch of stuff, and I started trying to think of how to edit, and like I can't listen to myself talk for two hours. Like, I know I'm asking a lot for other people to listen to me talk for two hours, but I can't listen to myself. Um, it's it's one of the reasons I don't have uh a chain on sanity right now is because I'm alone a lot traveling and whatever, and I can't talk to myself. Uh, if I could talk to myself, I'd have wonderful conversations because I know I I know a lot of shit. I just uh I can't listen to myself talk sometimes. So having someone else edit your stuff is amazing, and I have so much appreciation for Zach. He's got a lot of merch, a lot of cool he has some of the coolest merch ever. So also check that out at Reasonably Afraid. Um and check out the podcast. It isn't just a horror podcast, it is a lot of deep philosophy, a lot of um uh cinema. Like if you want to be educated on cinema uh and camera and stuff, he goes into all of that.
SPEAKER_06So it is actually made like short films before, and I think Ray Reyes has been PA on stuff. Uh if not more. Apologies if I've unbined on the Rey Reyes uh story.
SPEAKER_03Zach also at one time owned a whole ass video store.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_03Like he's got the cinema background.
SPEAKER_06Also, I mean, uh it's it's him, it's Ray, and then uh is it sometimes uh man? Is it Sean Sean? I I don't know.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, there's sometimes a Sean.
SPEAKER_06Yes, okay, so it is it's Shawnee my soul or whatever that I've seen on on threads, but he's great. Uh all three of those guys are incredible, like just hilarious dudes by themselves. And so together them talking about this thing that they love a lot and have like sort of made helped make in in certain cases, and like Zach's owned the video store. So it's like you couldn't probably get closer to like a clerk's podcast, and I mean that with all the love in the world uh than this one.
SPEAKER_01It's great. So so yeah, definitely check out that. And um, like I know Jackie, whenever we start releasing all this, you've probably already listened and read a few of them already, but she's gonna include a lot of stuff that she loves. So, you know, check out our blog associated with this podcast, and like we're we're not trying to push anything on you, none of these people are paying for us to talk about them. These are absolutely things that we love, yeah, and we want to share them with you, so take it with that nugget of salt. Uh, yeah, and take it in the in the vein that it is we're putting out uh appreciation and love to as many people as we can because that is who we are, because we're autistic and and well, I'm autistic, and Jackie's autistic.
SPEAKER_06I I can't grew up on the mean streets of Central Florida, yeah. So it's like uh we're like a gang unto ourselves.
SPEAKER_01The question posed is Is the Warriors movie a popular moop? And there's a lot of things that go into there, and a lot of reasons why the answer is yes and no, and the kind of it it gets really foggy, and there's a lot of politics and a lot of uh stuff in there. Um when I first witnessed it, uh I thought it was one of those ones where you know it was like a one-hit wonder uh from a group, but as we dug in, we found out that this was made by a serious team. This was a serious crew, and most of the people that were involved, not so much in front of the camera, but behind the camera and you know, the crews and stuff, turned out some amazing, amazing stuff, and and most of the Hollywood stuff that children of the 80s and 90s love and and are very, very attached to are because of the people that are uh involved in making of the Warriors. Um, so I I don't even know where to start. Uh I guess how we became aware of the Warriors uh is kind of a fun story. Um the Warriors is is po the the popularity of the Warriors for a lot of reasons is due specifically to word of mouth. And uh the way Jackie and I discovered it was exactly word of mouth. Um I had recently become single, and uh because it was kind of depressing to go to an empty house all alone, I found a restaurant that I enjoyed one of the dishes at, and I would stop after work and have dinner there, and then go home and and drink a couple bottles of wine and pass out and wake up in the morning. Uh, you know, depressing. Uh, but uh after Jackie and I started uh dating and hanging out and stuff, uh she was like, I want to see the the restaurant that you eat at. I was like, it's just it's a chain restaurant, but it's on the way home, no big deal. And uh I love loving things, yeah. It was the uh the Orlando Orlando alehouse. Uh and so I took her there and we sat out on the balcony, or not the balcony, the the uh the outside porch patio, and there was a guy that had uh stopped there after work and he had a few beers, and he was um, I'm guessing, based on his uh heavy accent, was from New York. Uh specifically, he was from the Bronx. The Bronx. Um he something set it off in his head that he remembered a movie. He didn't know much about it, he knew very little of the plot, didn't know anyone that starred in it, didn't know who made it or anything like that. But it was filmed in the Bronx, filmed in the Bronx.
SPEAKER_02Like the whole thing, they filmed in the Bronx. Like, you ever heard of this movie? Like, hey, hey, you know this movie, they filmed it in the Bronx, and I'm like for like 30 minutes, like no exaggeration.
SPEAKER_01And at that, like, so before there was IMDB, I owned the movie Hound books, and my roommate owned another type of book that was like the movie. Essentially was just an almanac of every movie ever made and a short description of it and some of the people that starred in it and stuff like that. Uh while I was in the middle uh of the ocean, um the people that were in the the watch room that I was in as we were you know monitoring the nuclear reactor, um, we played uh the the six degrees of Kevin Bacon. And so and we were we were good. Like like we could go hours and hours, we could link anybody. Part of my brain is linking things together, uh, hence everything is connected. And like we would we would like tip pick two actors and we would run them through, connect them to Kevin Bacon, and then run them back out. So we had an encyclopedic knowledge of movies, and my mom had run a blockbuster video for many years, and at the time they were allowed four videos out at one time, not four videos a day, but they could have four videos out at one time. So I would go when she opened and get four videos, run home, watch them, come back, and get some more in.
SPEAKER_05I miss having that much time and attention.
SPEAKER_01And like uh, I had discussed how my dad and the neighborhood dads ripped off and we had HBO for free. So I was I I was just I was like uh uh number five in short circuit. I just needed input, and movies were away like I couldn't read, which uh ADHD was crippling in that aspect, but being able to watch a movie, it transfixed me, and I could get all of the information into my brain. So, like, I have been a movie junkie in the deepest sense of like almost a heroin addict level type junkie when it came to movies, and I had just never heard of like I couldn't figure out I listed every movie that dealt with the Bronx, and this guy's like, nah, that's not it, that's not it.
SPEAKER_02It was filmed, you don't understand, it was filmed in the Bronx, like they were not rumbling.
SPEAKER_01And so I love this guy. His passion for this movie inspired Jackie and us to dive in deep, and this was many, many years like uh 10-15 years ago.
SPEAKER_03Like 15 years ago.
SPEAKER_01So we dug in and dug in and dug in and were like, maybe this was it, and uh it just so happened to uh uh release on on Netflix, and we sat down and watched it, and we were like, Oh my god, this is the movie that he was talking about. This is amazing.
SPEAKER_06How many seconds did you make it before you were like this is great when we Art Strong?
SPEAKER_03When we rewatched it the other night in anticipation of this, I paused it at three minutes and I was like, I'm gonna pause it here and say, Yes, this is a great movie. And then Mickey had to remind me that the question was not, is the Warriors a good movie, but is it a popular movie? But I think immediately it's great. Yeah, what blew my mind about the Warriors is at that time, um, I was we were both like pretty voracious Jim Phillips and the Phillips file listeners, and in his intro, he had fucking Cyrus in the intro. I think right it was just Soul Brother Kevin. I get them con I not I don't get Jim Phillips and Soul Brother Kevin confused.
SPEAKER_06They all look alike. I get the intro is confused, but he's doing the Cyrus thing, yeah.
SPEAKER_03And it just blew my mind. I'm like and there were like other references and other places you're like, this shit is in the ether, like I've been absorbing. This movie, my entire life, and I finally get to experience it. It was really exciting.
SPEAKER_01And like the first watch we were doing, like, as soon as he said that, it was like, Oh, I get that reference. And then a few minutes later, it's like, oh, I get that reference. Oh, okay, I get that reference. And it just unraveled, and it's like people that we have loved watch, uh, people we loved watch people we loved, we had been watching them do Warriors reference most of our lives. We just didn't realize it because we had never seen the Warriors, and in uh in the span of an hour and a half, it was like this title wave crashing into a black hole and just exploding. And it's like, oh my god, all those references, all those people have watched this movie and they got the same thing from this movie that we did. Now we understand what the hell they're talking about. It was a good line in and of itself, whenever Family Guy was making a reference, but now it just makes so much more sense. And whenever The Simpsons did it, it was just it was funny in and of itself, but now it's even 10 times funnier because they're referencing this and it has a special, like just touching on it, you have to say it has a lot deeper meaning, not just a good throwaway line. So it was uh it was kind of like an explosion of flavor, as it were. Like when you bite into like uh the gum that has the the gooey center or the liquid center, and you're like, and like, whoa, there's so much more to this. Holy crap. Um, so to random guy at bar.
unknownThank you.
SPEAKER_01Thank you very much. Um, because it inspired like we started asking a couple of the other people, and they were like, Yes, I love the warriors, I love the wars. And it's like so it was one of those things that no one talked about until everyone started talking about it. And um we there's a there's a bar that we frequented called Rogue Pub. It used to be Rogue Pub, but uh they got sued by Rogue Beer and just changed the G to a Q and it worked. And um that's actually really funny.
SPEAKER_03I think it was a clean way to fix the problem on her part.
SPEAKER_01Just break off the tip of the G there and you're good to go. Then we uh uh we were, I guess I I would say friends, good friends with the owner, and not to brag or anything like that, but um we asked her if she was doing anything on a Saturday, like a certain Saturday afternoon, and she was like, the bar's all yours, you can do whatever you want. Um, and we organized a art festival for Warriors art, and we got a lot of Orlando, like at the time Jackie was working for the Orlando Weekly, so she was in touch with a lot of artists of the Orlando zone, and um like some of the best ones, like I won't say which one was the best one or whatever, but they were all fantastic. But uh, the ones I can remember, uh, there Crummy Gummy uh runs the uh City Arts Redefine at City Arts uh right underneath uh SAC Improv uh Factory or whatever you want to call it. Um and he had made a Darth Vader mask out of 10,000 gummy bears, like he glued 10,000 gummy bears together to make a Darth Vader mask.
SPEAKER_03That's how he got introduced. That's how he introduced himself to the Orlando art scene was by making art with gummy bears.
SPEAKER_01And he uh he took he set up a picture of a mini uh basically a Barbie sliding word, and the war uh the um the ultimate warrior uh wrestling doll. He put that in front of the thing, and he entitled his uh painting or his picture uh Warriors Come Out to Play. And it was absolutely fantastic. Uh one of the uh I guess more uh intricate pieces was uh was it Lemus that did the the map?
SPEAKER_03That was Lu with the broken frame.
SPEAKER_01Oh, okay, yeah. Loose Sky, yeah. Basically took a map of the subway system and just did kind of a collage with some painting and different pieces and just a very intricate, amazing piece. And uh, like that was the first piece to get sold. Like it like someone walked in the door and said, I want it.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, and the guy that came to buy it, his name was Joshua, and ever since then, uh we would see him at like art events, and it was just like a really cool moment. Like I we became friends after that, and he's still I still like his stuff on Instagram, he still likes my stuff on Instagram. He's still very much into the art scene, and it makes me happy that we know that guy.
SPEAKER_01Uh, and then we have a piece of uh who's the who's the the lady character in The Warriors?
SPEAKER_03Mercy.
SPEAKER_01Mercy. Uh Boy Kong did a beautiful, beautiful rendition of Mercy on a string, and it is just it's a fantastic piece.
SPEAKER_03Um I I still maintain that he's the most talented visual artist to come out of Orlando. He's so fucking talented.
SPEAKER_01And um Brendan O'Connor, who is at the uh Orlando Shine uh magazine, uh his brother Patrick uh uh Patrick O'Connor. Sorry, um my brain is shifting gears. Uh Patrick O'Connor did a wonderful um cartoon version of the Warriors running down the down the alley. Um so it was just we had a whole bunch of different pieces that came and like the bar owner bought one of the one of the pieces and and put it right up on the wall as soon as she bought it. So it was just an amazing event that not enough people went to, but it was more than the art too.
SPEAKER_03We had like an old uh video game console set up so people could play the Warriors game if they wanted to. We had theme drinks, we had like other auctions and stuff. I'm pretty sure I made some sort of lollipops to go with that, even though I don't remember what flavors they could have possibly been. Um there was a lot going on, it was a good time.
SPEAKER_06I'm glad you brought up the the video game because that is actually where I heard about this film.
SPEAKER_03Oh, yeah. Let me hit let's hear about your first time.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, uh, it was literally like uh I was I was looking up when this came out, it was 2005. Yeah, and it was made by Rockstar, and I want to say that that was it was between GTAs for sure, uh, but it was definitely like this thing. Basically, Rockstar is one of those companies that it's like they made Max Payne and they made uh uh Grand Theft Auto. Obviously, people were were hyped for anything Grand Theft Auto. So when they're like, Oh, we're gonna make this, we're gonna make this game that we're really uh excited about, and then it was like it's a retelling of the 1979 cult film The Warriors. I think there's a lot of people in the gaming community that were like, What are you talking about? Is that what do you what is that? And then of course, you know, I immediately go over to whatever video YouTube at the time, and I'm like, Oh, Warriors come out and play. I've heard this. I've heard this, like, can you dig it? I've heard the Warriors come out, the the come out and play, especially. Uh, and so that's when you go, oh, okay, this is like some kind of underground thing. And then I like went to the library and and rented it, and uh, and yeah, it's it's a super interesting film. I'll wait until we're actually talking about the film itself, but it's you you understand why Rockstar chose to because they make these big epic kind of things. That's kind of what they've definitely become known for. And so when you hear like, oh, 1979, like New York gang crime thing, but it's like I think it's like the Odyssey. This film is kind of weirdly like the Odyssey.
SPEAKER_03Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_06Uh uh.
SPEAKER_01It's like a it it is, it's not exactly the odd. There's another um hold on, I'll find it. It's another Greek tale about a group that goes to Cyrus and they get trapped behind enemy lines and have to escape.
SPEAKER_06But oh, literally Cyrus.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_06Oh, okay. So it's like I didn't even know that. It just felt very like Argonauts getting lost on their way. Uh there, they they go to this conclave, yeah, and then something happens, and then they they have to make a dangerous journey back to their home uh base, basically.
SPEAKER_03The tale is called Anabasis, also known as the Persian Expedition.
SPEAKER_06Yeah. Oh, okay. I would have never guessed it.
SPEAKER_01We only know that because we watched several documentaries this weekend.
SPEAKER_05Oh, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01Um, but yeah, yeah, it was uh the uh the the author of the book um based it on that and was like, hey, no one's gonna know.
SPEAKER_06Uh it's so awesome because I it was based on a book, like initially.
SPEAKER_01Yes, yes.
SPEAKER_06It's it's because a lot of times when you're making a movie, you go, well, structurally this won't make sense because we have to wrap this up in two hours. Uh so the fact that like even before I was like a really film watching guy, I mean I liked watching movies, but I I would be like, that was neat to look at for two hours. Uh and and I would I would have like, did I like it or no? You know. Uh but like to to for so for for the theme, for the structure and the like vibe of a Greek epic to come through in that movie to a dum dumb at that time like me, like you know, it just it feels much it's a movie about like 1970s New York, but it's it's all it also makes sense why it was a video game because the gangs are all just like they they're uniform based. It's like theme and uniform, it's not racial, which for a movie set in 1979 seems like super progressive for them to just be like, this has zero. We're like, I mean, there's some uh there's groups that get their slurs, don't worry about that. Uh it's a movie from 1979, but it's um remarkable in that like immediately there's black people, Hispanics, whites, like just all hanging out. Uh, and the the the conflict is not based on that, it's based on these territorial gang affiliations, which are like based on like baseball and our little lines, you know.
SPEAKER_01Our little piece of turf.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, yeah. 10 square feet, yeah. Uh, but it's it's interesting because and so that almost helps break it out of this. It feels more like a play, it feels more like a a parable almost, because it's you know, it's or or like Lord of the Rings. It's like there's nine guys from like the 12 gangs of New York, which are all these fantastical, you know, the Warriors is like the least uh bombastic or flamboyant of the of the groups, you know, there's like straight up mime gangs, it's it's great, and they just they're trying to make their way back and they keep on running into these awesome characters that are introduced with like almost uh like like horror movie uh uh shots like shot composition.
SPEAKER_01And going back to the the the Greek analogy, like the the there's the scene of basically the call of the sirens uh that pull them into dangerous territory. Uh like one gets arrested and the others get almost killed. Uh so you know it has everything, like it basically it is uh it is a Greek tragedy whenever you you come out to it, or a Greek adventure tragedy, but it is exactly what it is. Like they did everything they set out to do, and they did it phenomenally well. Um and again, uh it is like it was a pop, it should have been much, much pop, much more popular, uh, but there was uh you know marketing, they went full bore and said, here are the the gangs of the night. So competing gangs showed up at the theater, and instead of just sitting down and watching the movie and understanding what the movie was trying to tell them of join forces, it's not us against them, it's not you against me, it's us against them. Um the gangs started some some ruckus, and you know, I think there were these are actual gangs? Yeah, oh yeah. The whenever the movie came out, actual gangs in New York and actual gangs in LA.
SPEAKER_05Uh hey, yo, Tony, let's go watch his fucking movie about gangs. I'd like to be educated on the subject.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, we should go see it. It was filmed in the Bronx.
SPEAKER_06That guy's dad.
SPEAKER_01But during but during the movie, fights ensued and there were a couple uh deaths involved, uh, and that caused a media backlash. Uh the critics uh didn't under I don't think any of the the critics didn't watch it with a film eye. They just said, oh, it's another gang movie. Yeah. Uh there the this time period in movie making the 19 late 70s, there was a giant slew of of gang movies. I mean, it was uh the height of black exploitation, so there was a lot of gang movies in that genre. Um, so they were looking at it as a basically uh umhouse type movie. Yeah, okay, yeah, yeah. Uh and so they just kind of discounted that and they looked at oh, here's someone, you know, here's a couple guys dressed up with mimes with top hats, and here's a couple people in Yankees uniforms with painted faces. What is this crap?
SPEAKER_06See, to me, that would be as a critic, that's the part that like I feel would stand out because if everyone else was doing gangs and stuff, I assume they're basing that on like real crime at the time. You're kind of playing it a little more straight, where it's like, here's this this uh gang of a certain type of ethnicity that has cornered kind of this area, you know, like you're departed, you're you know, you're Irish gangs, you're Italian gangs, that kind of thing. And like, uh, if I see Mines, I'm like, hold on, what's this? Like as a critic in 1979, I'm like, this is style, you know.
SPEAKER_00The French are here.
SPEAKER_03Especially at that time, critics didn't really understand camp. And I would 100% put the Warriors in that category. I think it's camp.
SPEAKER_01They didn't know what it was, it was just bad movie to them. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I I think like a more elevated camp. Like they they did they included way too much, I think, for the critics to appreciate. Like the the critics needed a at the time, the critics were very serious, and they they were like, what kind of looking at a lens of what is the Midwest going to like, and try to gear it towards a like Gene Shallot was very much speaking the voice of the Midwest, and it's like, oh, the lady from Nebraska's not gonna like this. Ah, it's gonna be a terrible movie.
SPEAKER_06I think the warriors should come out and stay home or whatever. He's gonna think stupid lines.
SPEAKER_00Go back to Coney Island and stay there, right? You're right.
SPEAKER_06I kind of love Gene Shalid if for nothing, just like how corny and like when he's wrong, he's like really wrong, but he still wants to make his little pun, you know.
SPEAKER_01Um, and we know someone that was growing up in uh he was kind of younger at the time. Uh probably like he's my age, so probably uh first, second grade, whenever this movie came out.
SPEAKER_07But he lived in the Bronx.
SPEAKER_01He lived in the Bronx, and like um what is the the movie about rap? Um, the heights.
SPEAKER_03Oh, the get down. Ah, so good.
SPEAKER_01Uh so the get down is uh another great uh it was a series on Netflix, I believe.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, two season series should be so many more. It was fucking excellent.
SPEAKER_01And it goes through the rise of hip-hop, which you know coincides with the rise of uh punk, which coincides with the rise of the gang movies. And uh so he had an older brother that was actually uh our friend that was six years old at the time, uh, had an older brother that was actually involved in one of these types of gangs that was represented in in the movies. And he said it was kind of like aside from the funny clothes and and costuming, it was pretty accurate. It was like every all these gangs were, you know, uh from this from this corner uh to this corner, this is our turf. And if you're gonna come across it, you gotta ask permission, you gotta, you know, take your colors off, or or whatever. So, in that sense, it was very realistic in in the depiction of how gangs were dividing up the city and spreading every you know, everyone had to have a gang, or because if you got caught on your own, you got your ass kicked.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, New York, very violent city, gang-ridden city for a long time. There was a stereotype, and it's funny because I feel like now the care they've done good job, the marketing of New York City. Uh, and also I guess everyone who's dropped the crime rate and stuff. I mean, like, it's a very safe city now. Uh, it's like known as a safe city, I think, uh, except to like really, really out of touch people. Um, and but like that is because it still has that reputation with those people, because for a while it was just I mean, it was like the Joker ran the fucking city for in the 70s, right? And maybe the the early 80s. I don't know, whenever I don't know what the what the precipitating factor is, but like it got better. And before it was, it was yeah, this is probably pretty close, except for the the flamboyance of it.
SPEAKER_01And a lot of it, uh a lot of it went from okay, we're in an Irish neighborhood, and the cops don't like the Irish, or they're not set to protect the Irish, so the Irish ganged up and protected their neighborhood, and the blacks, completely not protected by the police at the time, or ever, uh, gather together to protect their own. And then, you know, there's some Slovakians, some Russians, some uh some Polish, you know, each each little you you come over to the country uh and you find your community, and you you don't look for the best real estate, you look where your actual community is, you find your department and you start hanging around them. Like uh Saturday Night Live or Saturday Night Fever is actually a gang movie, and it like uh um John Travolta's character was a member of the gang, but he liked going out on Saturday night to dance. But deep down it was a gang movie, um, because the Italians hung out with Italians, because that's what you did, because you it just there was that certain comfort, but then because of drugs, uh heroin, cocaine at the time, you know, heroin and cocaine started uh rising up and because it was a very profitable business, and so then it became extra more territorial, and expansion is like capitalism wants to expand, and if and drug deal drug dealing is part of capitalism.
SPEAKER_06The part of the movie where like Gimme Shelter is playing over a montage of them making a lot of money from drugs, yeah.
SPEAKER_01And it and if you are selling all of your drugs and you want to sell more because you have uh more business, you know, you have more business associates to you, you know, you recruit and you recruit and you recruit, and then it gets to an unsustainable level, so then you have to expand and push out, and then you start stepping on someone else's turf, and then you have a turf war. And so, you know, capitalism is always going to cause death. So there's no other way to put it, but capitalism causes death. So does communism, but you know, that's another story.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, but before that we get iPods.
SPEAKER_03Just to earn it. Just to give an idea of how proliferate the gangs were at that time. Uh, during the filming of this movie, the film trucks were protected by an actual gang called the Mongrels, and they got paid five hundred dollars a day to protect the film trucks from other gangs.
SPEAKER_06Wow, that's uh 'cause like when you it almost sounds now like they had to change it from being ethnic gangs to for their own protection. Couldn't actually tell the story as it was because then that would be like, I mean, like, I think it's brilliant the way it's like sort of abstracted through the the themes, you know. Uh, but now I'm almost wondering, were they like we were like, we're gonna do the the Moggles? Like, the fucking hell you will, you know, but we'll we'll defend you from the other guys. Movie seems cool.
SPEAKER_01There was another story that they had put up a piece of graffiti, and they painted over a gang's graffiti, and the gang was not too happy about it. And to make amends, the uh filmmakers hired them as extras to basically give them a paycheck and you know filter money to them uh as an apology, and everything was right now.
SPEAKER_06This the the making of this movie almost seems as interesting as this movie does.
SPEAKER_03Um I I think if they made like a Heart of Darkness about the Warriors, it would be fantastic.
SPEAKER_06Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_03Heart of Darkness being the documentary about Apocalypse now for those people who are not movie dorks like me.
SPEAKER_06Yeah. Um another really big uh uh uh bugbear of a production, if memory screws.
SPEAKER_01Uh so so yeah, at the time, you know, the the rising of the gang movies is coming up, and at this particular time, uh so filming in 1978, uh Paramount heard rumors that another studio was getting ready to release a gang movie, and that gang movie uh we talked about last week called The Wanderers.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, we watched that. Uh, I got to meet the Baldies and the Duckies and all of the people.
SPEAKER_01Okay.
SPEAKER_06Were those real gangs?
SPEAKER_03Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01Well, they were based on some of them were based on real. I think most of those most of the ones in the Wanderers were closely based on uh real gangs. I think the Ducky Boys were actually a real gang. Ducky Boys sounds uh familiar, yeah. And um unf it it's kind of it's what it's a the way I equated it is if um the I guess the Wanderers would be the DC universe and uh the Warriors kind of more gritty and kind of more to the point uh would be the uh Marvel universe. So very two two very similar movies, but very different movies, yeah. In that same aspect as every hero in the DC universe has a counterpart in the X-Men universe in some sort of way. It's kind of not a one-for-one exchange, but very close, and you kind of they're both the same kind of thing, but they're different in their own in a special sort of way. And whenever one, you love it.
SPEAKER_06Whenever you look at their publication history, it always goes back to some kind of lawsuit or argument with a comic company that's no longer around. Like, well, he was based off of the Chilton comics. You're like, who's Chilton? They won, I guess. Guess we don't want that one.
SPEAKER_01Um, so this was so, and this was an effort to actually make movie. This wasn't some uh film nerd's passion project. This was a studio movie that had full support. They had radio ads, they had TV ads, but because I said again, because of the violence and the the the pearl clutching of everybody, uh, they pulled all of their advertising off the radio and uh pulled all the advertising off of the television, and they kind of damped down their uh print ads to just the name of the movie and where it was playing. So it came down to word of mouth, uh, and it was still pretty amazingly popular uh for the short run. Like they shortened all the runs of all the like they because theater owners got scared because of the first couple of outbreaks of violence, uh the studio released a lot of people from their contracts of hey, you have to show it this many times. So it didn't get showed as much, but it still made uh I think like ten times the amount of money that they made it for. Um they had really good box off numbers, box office numbers despite not being advertised. Uh, and then it just kind of once it left, I don't think it hit television, so it never got that secondary boost until it hit until like later on.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, and you know, it's interesting. Everything it was all film, so it's like uh distributing was a was a cost. Oh, yeah, yeah. So it's like uh there this is the era of cult movies because once it's gone, it's gone. And then it's literally down to like some guy from the Bronx who remembers it for being filmed in the Bronx to be nothing else, to be the torchbearer for 20 years until it gets like a VHS release or something. Somebody like bothers to go through the the library and they're like, Okay, well, we're what are we uh what are we putting out? Okay, well, we'll obviously we're gonna put the hits out. What's this? So the Warriors?
SPEAKER_05Okay.
SPEAKER_06No one's gonna watch that. We'll throw it, we'll do a shitty transfer and we'll throw it on V.
SPEAKER_03The budget was between six and seven million, and they earned 22.4 million at the at the initial box office run.
SPEAKER_06That's more than number. Gotta make double your double. You assume double the the budget for uh marketing, and that's break-even. And so that sounds uh that's almost like three times. That's yeah, or a little over three times. So did did some numbers. Yeah, I was looking at the violence that everyone was kind of clutching their pearls around. And I and I was correct, I had to check. This is this is the year that both Alien and Apocalypse Now came out. Um both very uh Alien had some people. I think Alien did have people writing letters to 20th Century Fox. I don't know about Apocalypse Now. Uh it's just funny what makes it and what doesn't, kind of based on popularity and all that. It's too real, I guess. Alien was at least like that monster.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, it's it's imaginary, it's not gonna happen. But um, it's kind of funny that you bring up aliens. Uh earlier I said that you know this wasn't just some film nerd trying to do a passion project. This was these were heavy hitters uh with layers and levels of of talent. Um, the director and and the guy who wrote the screenplay adapted from the book uh is Walter Hill. And Walter Hill is the producer of every alien movie ever created. He is the producer of 48 hours, which launched Eddie Murphy's career into the stratosphere. Like Eddie Murphy was bound for glory one way or the other, but 48 hours. Eddie Murphy is the only cast member on Saturday Night Live to host Saturday Night Live while he was a cast member. And he did that, um he did that be to promote 48 hours because it was such uh a big, big hit. Um Walter Hill also like I get I could go through Zion DB and all that stuff, but uh he's also responsible for Tales from the Crypt.
SPEAKER_05Um hell yeah.
SPEAKER_01The gentleman who was the producer for this movie. All right, so Walter Hill went from director of the Warriors to producing the aliens and a bunch of other stuff. Um Frank Marshall was the producer of this movie. And he is now he was invited in and became a partner in Amblin Entertainment. And just to go really quickly, skip a few steps. If there is a ride at Universal based on a movie, Frank Miller was probably or Frank Marshall was probably the producer of that movie. E.T. Back to the Future, etc., etc. He's also the producer for The Sixth Sense, Seabiscuit, Jason Bourne movies, Sully, Indiana Jones, Mr. Three Thousand, uh, Indian in the Cupboard, Tiny Tune Adventures, Hook, Cape Fear, Gremlins, Joe vs. the Volcano, Roger Rabbit, Money Pit, The Color Purple with Oprah Winfrey, The Goonies, and Poltergeist, and many, many, many more. And the the guy who does the amazing music at the beginning, the uh he went on to win Oscar or Emmy after Emmy uh making music for soap operas. Like there was a five-year period where he was nominated at least twice in the same category. Like he like guiding light uh and um oh, I can't even remember what the the word as the world turned. So, yeah, there was one, there was two years in particular, he was nominated three times and beat himself because no one else was in the category for him. Um the set dresser worked on Raging Bull. Um, there's a movie with Gilda Radner and her husband uh called Hanky Panky. And uh seeing Gilda Radner and um Gene Wilder. Gene Wilder on the screen together is an amazing treat. Uh if you love comedy and if you love love, it's absolutely amazing. Uh he was in Easy Money uh with uh Rodney Danger, or he sorry, he did the set dressing for uh easy money with uh Rodney Dangerfield. Uh if you're familiar with uh a small movie called Superman, he did the set dressing for that. Uh, and then he did a couple James Bond movies.
SPEAKER_06Is that the Donner Superman?
SPEAKER_01Richard Down? The Donner. And even like I could go on like uh the cinematographer uh did cinematography for Star Trek, um Inner Space. Inner Space, First Blood, and I'll take classic inner space, and the newsies.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, yeah. Newsies was his last movie, and you know, newsies is great.
SPEAKER_01I think and the editing team uh did Logan's Run uh Saving Bikini Body, uh Saving Bikini Bottom, the Sandy Cheeks movie. Uh a few years later, uh Nacho Libre, uh Miss Congeniality, uh and just on and on and on. Like everybody involved in this except for the people that were on the screen. Like the people on the screen did other things, but most of the like the crew behind the scenes are responsible for Hollywood uh in the 80s. It's like I don't know if they had the good Coke and that's how they kept getting jobs, but like they got jobs and they worked and they made all kinds of movies.
SPEAKER_06So and set dressing, by the way, is like such a like an art that you don't think about because the art of it is to make people not think about it. Uh-huh. Uh, and and I think like, yeah, you look at this movie and it's so like good at taking the claustrophobic New York, like everyone's pressed in and everything is like threatening and dark, yeah. Uh and making it seem like both lived in and kind of like epic. So, you know, like there's there's graffiti where there should be graffiti. There's there's shit lying around where there should be shit lying around in a way that is unobtrusive. And again, like if it wasn't there, you would go, something's wrong about this. It doesn't look right.
SPEAKER_03One of my favorite bits of trivia about the way this movie was filmed is the cinematographer asked early on in filming if they could have like a scene where a lot of rain came down because he wanted to have the streets have a wet look so he could use specific lighting effects. And I think it really the wet the streets being wet and like the light reflecting off it really worked for the movie.
SPEAKER_01Um, we we watched some older gentleman discuss some of the set dressing, and it's one of those ones where it's either a brilliant old autistic man finding every little nugget Easter egg in the world, or a crazy old man who's just pointing at stuff. Yeah. Um but like there's there's a see there's a scene on the subway at the end where the the prom couples, the two prom couples get on the subway, and they're like the uh uh mercy or what's her name?
SPEAKER_03Mercy, yeah.
SPEAKER_01Uh is looking crazy. And the word behind her is local, but everyone moves their head in such a way where it says loca, which means is Spanish for crazy lady. Um, and there's uh like what someone gives a speech and then runs down the subway hall, and there's a sign that kind of reflects the the sentiment of what he just said, and just one thing after another, he's pointing it out, and it's like you might be crazy, but you're making a lot of sense, fella. You're just making a lot of sense. So there's if you ever get bored and you run out of ways to watch the Warriors try to look at the background set dressing because they did a lot of work in putting everything together.
SPEAKER_03Um, I know you said that there weren't any really big actors that came out of this movie, but there are two notable people that I wanted to touch on. Uh, one of them is the guy who played Ajax, James Remar. That's Dexter's dad from Dexter. And then the radio lady, dude. Oh, go ahead, Mickey.
SPEAKER_00Oh, no, go ahead.
SPEAKER_03Oh, the radio lady. Does anybody recognize the radio lady?
SPEAKER_00I didn't know.
SPEAKER_06I recognize her from uh I did when I looked her up, but I don't know from what.
SPEAKER_01I recognize her from Where in the World Is Carbon Sandiego.
SPEAKER_03It's the chief from Where in the World Is Carbon Sandiego.
SPEAKER_06She's great.
SPEAKER_03I I've always liked her for some reason. She's got her voice is perfect for that. Uh, and all they needed was her lips. Like it was great. It was supposed to originally be narrated by Orson Wells, and I'm glad that it wasn't.
SPEAKER_06And cut to our gangs moving swiftly through the streets of New York, the vapid uh just like uh no, this was way this is way better for the tone.
SPEAKER_03I think the other big place I know her from is Lean on Me. I used to watch Lean on Me like once a month.
SPEAKER_06She's she's got an interesting the DJ is an interesting part because she's like this um, it's almost like in the epic where like a chapter would open with like the prophecy. Like it you go, you open, you read, you go to the next chapter, and then instead of like what they're doing, it's like the next like canto of the the prophecy of their doom. So it sort of gives you this preview, and like that's almost her job is she like comes in at specific points to be like, and so here now the warriors will now face a different challenge, a different threat.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_06It's awesome.
SPEAKER_01And and it was originally supposed to have a comic book feel, like that was the original intent from the director. Uh, but the studio executives are like, nah, no one's gonna be able to. I don't get it. Uh they did put it back in the director's cut. Uh, so if you want to see it in its full glory, uh check out the director's cut because they have basically freeze frames and then switch and basically colored it in like it's a coloring uh comic book. Man, you gotta let them do fun stuff like that. Yeah. And and that kind of goes into the you know, the like Stan Lee's little block of text explaining stuff, uh, kind of like in Spider-Man, it's like turn the page, and there's a block of text saying Spider-Man did this and this and this and this, and then go into the action.
SPEAKER_06So check out, check out ish 63 of Amazing Spider-Man to find out what happened to Doc Ark.
SPEAKER_01Um, and then going back to the the Wanderers versus the Warriors, um they in order to basically uh be first to market, essentially, uh, all of the editors that I discussed earlier locked themselves in in editing base, like they split into four different groups, and they were editing as much as they could, as fast as they could, trying to hit the February, I think it was February release date, in order to beat the June release date of the Wanderers. Uh, and it worked. Uh had the advertising, you know, had they not had to pull all their advertising and stuff, they would have buried it because when the wanderers came out, it suffered from oh, another gang movie. Okay.
SPEAKER_06That's tough. They really should have talked about that or something.
SPEAKER_03I I will say that we watched both the Wanders and the Warriors in the same day, and I still think the Warriors was better. But one thing that I noted about both of these movies, and then it made me reflect on other gang movies that I've watched. I would say that gang movies, the costumer has one of the most important jobs, and they do like both of these both the Warriors and the Wanders, I think, had really good costumes, and I think that gang movie costumers should get more credit. End of speech.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, because it's not I mean, it's a uniform without being a uniform, and that's that's a really really fine line to walk, and a really tough I mean, because I know like all the uh the baseball Furies all had pinstripes, but um I I guess uh what what we had seen in one of the documentaries was that uh each of their face paints was based on a kiss album.
SPEAKER_05Oh yeah, awesome.
SPEAKER_01And they just changed the color of it a little bit and and stuff like that, but the face paint is just a uh mimic of of kiss painting, but it gave each of them a similar tie type of facial expression, but each one was unique and different.
SPEAKER_06So it's it's in tying back to the Greek thing, the name the gang is the Furies, yeah. Exactly.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, it's like yeah, it's all they it's all there, but but like the way it's the Furies for you know from Greek mythology, uh, but they're baseball guys based on kiss. And it's like, how is this not? I mean, the question is it popular? You know, if you could ask a person, hey, do you like the Warriors? They might have an opinion, and it's like it's reached a level. There's a level that it's gotten to.
SPEAKER_03Well, it's almost what 40 years old? That's like 38 years old now. So the fact that there's like so much, I don't know if it's just because it's so much in our orbit, but I feel like there's a name recognition with the Warriors.
SPEAKER_06It's something. There's it's it's it's a database entry. There might not be much data in the person's personal bank there, but like it's like hmm, the Warriors, yeah. It was a the PlayStation game. Is that what that is that the same thing? You know?
SPEAKER_03I think if they came out with a game now using modern gaming technology, it would be a banger.
SPEAKER_06Beat 'em-ups, they should, yeah. I mean, they should bring them back. Couch co-op, beat 'em ups, like final fight. If you look at it, this if you've ever played Final Fight, you will get a lot of final fight vibes from this. In the same, like, oh, here's the these type of bad guy. Here's the this kind of bad guy in this level, you know. Here's the big guy that they have on their team that they bring out at the last minute, you know. It's very much like an escalation, just a journey with fights and escalation in just that exact it it's like reading a I don't know. I guess Greek epics are also kind of lean into beat-em-ups. They could probably honestly be a great beat-em-up. And the we know Anabasis is.
SPEAKER_01So uh here's I just I just uh uncovered this. Uh in let me see when did this uh there was a lady born in 1943 who wrote uh children's books during the Great Depression. Yeah, she's she wrote during the Great Depression and she released uh Greek uh book uh retelling all the Greek mythologies, and her last name is Turnbull. The AC Turnbulls. So I I don't know if that's an Easter like it's one of those crazy old guy things where it's like I don't know if that's an Easter egg or if it's just a funky coincidence, but based on the team that made this, it's quite possible that they actually named the AC Turnbulls. Because of this lady writing Greek mythology, because the book or because the movie's based on Greek mythology and stuff like that. So it's one of those things where yeah, I would love to sit down and just ask so many questions.
SPEAKER_06I think there are so many like little things when you go to you know, you talk about like the Jim Henson's creature shop, and like there are all these stuff that people make that where they don't they don't know if it's gonna be on screen for 20 minutes or 20 seconds. And uh all the time, all the time, I feel like those guys are going, like, it would be funny if we put this in there. If it'd be funny if we put like if we just gave him like a little cigarette in his in his hand, you know, there's all they because like it's like uh I feel like the the technical parts of of a film are one of those things that's like it's so undersung that if I'm working on it like it's an expression, you you want to act, you want it to gel with the movie first and foremost. But if there's any room to like put a little here you go, just a little bit, just just a little bit of personality in there.
SPEAKER_01If I can connect with two or three people, if if two or three people watch the movie and they catch this, yes, I'm happy. I am thrilled.
SPEAKER_06It's like when when a when a when an obscure movie has like a reference to its even more obscure predecessor by the same director, you know, and like, oh, that's only for me. That's only for me, a guy who would enjoy this.
SPEAKER_01Uh was it uh there were two horror directors that kept putting each other's posters on the wall back and forth.
SPEAKER_06Oh, I couldn't tell you that, but that's that's exactly the kind of thing.
SPEAKER_01I I think it was like hill the whoever did Hills Have Eyes, and I believe it might have been John Carpenter or something like that.
SPEAKER_06John Carpenter seems very fun.
SPEAKER_03Sam Raimi and Res Wes Craven.
SPEAKER_06Oh, okay. Those guys are all right.
SPEAKER_03Did you say one of them was the Hills has uh Hills Have Eyes guy? Yeah, that what you said? That's Wes Craven. You were half right.
SPEAKER_01So, you know, it's it's one of those things where you know if you get one uh there's uh someone has a t-shirt of someone wearing the t-shirt of someone's face, and then they went back and forth, and it just became this the mirror in mirror kind of thing where it just goes on forever and it just it just keeps escalating into bigger and funnier things. Um I love stuff like that. So, you know, uh I'm the I'm the I'm the target or the audience for stuff like that because I will either find out about it through some of the shows that I watch uh on YouTube or deep dives on Wikipedia or IMDB. Um so yeah, there's someone is getting your references, and it's me. Um and um so going back to the DJ, uh, I know I'm shifting gears all over the place. Uh it was such an inspiring moment for Spike Lee that he copied it and put it into Do the Right Thing, uh, played by uh let me see, Mr. Senior Love Daddy, played by Samuel L. Jackson was the DJ in Do the Right Thing. And it was like during the filming, he's like, Have you ever seen the Warriors? And Sam Jackson's like, Yeah, I've seen the Warriors. He's like, do that. And so he did it. Um and I believe The Simpsons, like The Simpsons are has been written by Harvard uh nerds forever, uh just like Saturday Night Live. Um and most of those people are either rich enough or or lazy enough that they've watched every movie and got every reference, but the Simpsons has has done multiple, multiple references to it. I know the Family Guy has done it.
SPEAKER_03Um I feel like the Simpsons did a whole episode.
SPEAKER_01Oh, yeah, they remember correctly. They did a full-blown episode.
SPEAKER_03Community references it, referenced it in one of the paintball episodes.
SPEAKER_01So everybody that I love that has done movies and and whatever, uh kind of the weirdo sect of of movie making and stuff, which in general sense most of the weirdos that or most of the people that make movies are weirdos in one way or another. Um, and weirdos collect and and weirdos put out the signal to each other. It's kind of like a bat signal. It's like uh come out and play. It's like, oh, I get that, I get that. We're on the same team here, brother. Um, so that I love stuff like that. So I think the Warriors gave uh an entire gener, like mostly Generation X type people that I maybe it was on HBO or something like that uh for a short period of time, and everyone caught on to it and was like, ah, cool. There was also the mom and pop video store where they had like one copy in the back and it was like, what is this? I don't know. Like take it home and watch it. Now you have a whole new bevy of uh interests and and quotes to go by.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, I think the Warriors is for sure a good root ball.
SPEAKER_01Yes, yeah, it's because it there's just like it just one little one little nugget, and you're like, oh yeah, I know the whole thing. Um but and and there's enough to chew on throughout the whole thing.
SPEAKER_06Um it it's it has this kind of seven-year-itch effect where like everybody knows the things. Everybody knows the can you dig it? Everybody knows the uh come out and play, but nobody knows what it is, what that's from, yeah, what the movie is. That come out and play thing and the can you dig it was so it just like punctured like a harpoon into the consciousness of like culture immediately, in a way that the move that dr like left the the meat of the rest of the movie so far behind, and it's a great movie. Uh much like the seven-year itch is a great movie, but it's like it's so outpaced by its like impact, weirdly. Like it's it's it's it's a strange thing that I feel like only happens to certain American movies. And and these are these are two of the I think the biggest ones now that I'm thinking about it, because I mean most of the other ones like people have like see you're getting to the point where people have like not seen things like Star Wars or uh Indiana Jones necessarily die hard, but like I mean, can you dig it and come out and play are like way deeper than I would think almost any quote from any of those movies.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, I I would agree.
SPEAKER_06And still, like, yeah, you could get somebody who's like, Yeah, I think I've heard of the Warriors, but yeah, it's it's not top of mind in almost anybody's yeah.
SPEAKER_01I would put it on a level with uh ET Phone Home. Like everybody knows E.T. Phone Home because it was used in multiple commercials, it was used in you know every kind of like everyone that you wanted to reference that was like, oh, that's an easy one. Yeah, but in knowing that you still don't understand the impact and and the love story, uh not not a romantic love story, but a love story of two friends that just had a deep attachment, and then that's ripped apart because of politics or because of uh uh what you know uh immigration laws or or or whatever it is, it's like you don't understand the true meaning of ET Phone Home until you know the whole movie. Sure, you know the quote and you know where it's from and you can kind of do the voice, but it's still you don't fully, fully get the meat of it. Like you like you said, it's yes, can you dig it, but can you there's so much there's so much more to that speech, yeah. Like there's uh you know kind of what we touched on last time in in punk rock, um there's punk rock and rap and uh outlaw country on the on the surface the the industries and the the mainstream were trying to divide those groups because if those groups solidified into a giant unit of outside music, it would become a thing that no one can control because there's you know if all the rebellion, all the rebellious people got together, they could overthrow whatever is in power at that time. And every you know, that's the you know, the whole way to stay in power is divide and conquer, and you know, pit the the heavy metals against the the uh punk rockers. Make the country make the outlaw country people into you know country bumpkins so that the city punks don't pay attention to them. But you know, people like Blondie are like, hey, I'm punk rock. Here's some rap, check this out. And some of the rap groups were like, hey, I love this metal stuff. And you know, bring the noise was huge for what it was. It was like, hey, um, anthrax is on stage wearing a public enemy t-shirt, and Chuck D's on stage wearing an anthrax shirt. Now they're recording together and making this amazing.
SPEAKER_06Oh no, the basis of my entire personality is being eroded right now because I chose one or the other.
SPEAKER_01Yes. And so by uh by Cyrus standing there and and illustrating that the numbers are on their side if they stop piddling over a little bit of turf and decide to join forces and take it all. And then all of a sudden, uh then you know that brings up Luther.
SPEAKER_03Fucking Luther.
SPEAKER_01And uh, not to spoil the movie, if you haven't seen it yet, it came out in 1978. So if you haven't seen it, sorry. Um Luther shoots Cyrus uh in the middle of his speech. And uh I guess you could equate that to Martin Luther King getting shot, uh JFK getting shot, um basically any of the unifiers of that of the era getting eliminated because a voice of unification for the outcasts is a very, very powerful voice. And Luther, uh, so here's here's where it gets really, really heaky. The movie based on they had to edit it and get it out on time, they had to cut a lot of stuff, uh, they couldn't, you know. Right now, if they did uh a uh prestige show and they could do 12 episodes uh a season for five seasons, they could really get into the depth of each of the the politics of of each of the gangs and stuff, and it would be absolutely freaking amazing. Um if so they couldn't go into what is Luther doing? Why is he doing this? Um yes, he puts the blame on the warriors, and the lawyer the warriors are in the wrong place at the wrong time, and they get their epic adventure and stuff. But the real thing is Luther shooting Cyrus and murdering him in front of everybody, and then blaming the Warriors. Uh, it goes into the video game. Like they tell a little bit of the story in the video game where Luther is out with two of his gang members that he doesn't like, and so in one failed swoop, they kill a cop and they steal a badge and a gun on the way to the meeting, and the badge is you could see the badge on on Luther's vest the entire time, and that's from the cop that he kills in the video game, which is a prequel to the movie, and um, so that kind of sets it off, and Luther keeps checking in with his boss, and so like uh uh he at the end Luther says he's just doing it because he likes doing things like that, but in essence, he is working for someone, and the cops showing up at the the conclave right as Luther shoots Cyrus. It's like this is not a coincidence, this is a setup. The someone in in uh someone in power uh that wants to keep that power and knows that that Cyrus's voice uniting all these gangs is a dangerous thing. Uniting the outcasts is a dangerous thing to the people in power. So if you're an outcast and you're a weirdo, don't shun other weirdos. Join them, understand their suffering, understand their struggle. Join the gang. And not only join a gang, join your gangs with other gangs of outcasts and weirdos, because all those gangs together outnumber the people in power, and in one shot, Luther eliminates that. There are rumors that it was the second in command of you know, uh Cyrus's second in command trying to take over because he knew that the plan would never work or whatever, but deep down, uh yeah, um the rogues are from Hell's Kitchen, which is a very Irish area, and Irish people drink.
SPEAKER_03Sorry.
SPEAKER_01Because of the history of the United States, uh there weren't many jobs for Irish people, and they were given clubs to go break up strikers, and strikers were usually Italians, uh Slavics, uh, Polish, and stuff like that. And at the time, Irish were latecomers to the game, so they were kind of put into a position where it's like, hey, you're not a member, like it was a divide and conquer, you're not you're an outcast, but you're not those kinds of outcasts. So why don't you work for me, take this Billy Club, and go beat the shit out of the other outcasts.
SPEAKER_06Well, well, well, if it isn't a bunch of differently resourced white people.
SPEAKER_01So, yeah, the the the stereotype of the Irish cop isn't it's based on reality because the Irish were given those jobs, and over time, uh you go from you know the slave hand to the slave uh controller, and eventually the Irish became solidified in the police department. So a Hell's Kitchen gang being controlled by like a police commissioner or at the behest of a mayor or something like that is a very uh real possibility. So Luther pulled the trigger to do the job of the city mayor in order to eliminate these, you know, basically keep the gang separated.
SPEAKER_06He's a scab. Yeah, he's uh he's uh he's he's keeping the status quo in a way.
SPEAKER_01And so uh yeah, going in, you know, you have to scrape through the game to actually get that deep, deep dive of of information about who Luther is and why he's doing it. And yeah, he is he has a wild card, but someone that pulls the reins the right way can control a wild card and you know have them do the bidding. Like I I know like in Batman the Joker is just a wild card, uh, and then all the gangs call him in to help get rid of Batman, and then they don't realize what they did. But in this case, Luther is very much a controlled wild dog and doing the bidding, um and given enough leash to be crazy and do what he wants every now and then, sure, it it's a it's a big possibility that the whole thing was over before it began because someone in power had arrested Luther at the right time and and was able to put a thumb on him, and you know, and by putting a thumb on Luther, putting a thumb on the scale of justice and and eliminating the threat of all the weirdos ganging up and taking control.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, and then there's like the orphans, which is like this this smaller gang that wasn't invited to the conclave.
SPEAKER_03Oh, they're chickens.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, they're like there so there's all these like power dynamics of like, oh, like you think we're not we're not good enough. Yeah, you know, and they challenge the warriors because they're like, you guys are coming down, we're gonna we're gonna use you as a stepping stone up uh in the in the ranking. It's it's it's just great. There's so many things happening, so many things going on. Uh Luther's great, he's uh psycho.
SPEAKER_03You know the the Warriors come out to play was totally improvised. That wasn't in the script.
SPEAKER_06Man, that's it's it just I don't know. Is there an example of like a of something that was improvised? And someone was like, absolutely not, we can't use that. That sucks. Because it always seems like the improv improvised stuff is like it's like one notch better. Well, whatever the script was.
SPEAKER_03I think that's just uh uh one notch on the belt for humans versus AI.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, true. True. I can never it the actor said he his neighbor used to taunt him with uh like Jeffrey, come out and play. I I don't know the actor, I can't remember the actor's name, but yeah, it was like whatever it is, come out and play. And he would go and hide under his bed. And he was like, um, they were getting ready to film, and he started doing it, and the director's like, hey, hey, turn the cameras on, turn the cameras on. And they just caught it, and he's like, do that, but more. It's a great yeah, and it became iconic, you know.
SPEAKER_03His name was David Patrick Kelly. Okay, so it was David come out and play.
SPEAKER_06I I also brought up his Wikipedia because I at first I was like, Wow, is that is that a very young Sean Penn? Which I don't think the timing on that really makes sense. No, uh, but it it I just was looking at his at his this is the first block uh in his Wikipedia. Kelly is also known for his collaborations with Spike Lee in the films. This is I don't know why this is so funny. Malcolm X, Crooklin, Shyrak. Just like a bunch of uh gangster films, like with I mean Malcolm X is kind of gang adjacent, I guess, more so than actually, but you know, like Crooklin and Shirak. He loves to be in like a like a hood gangster kind of movie.
SPEAKER_03Uh, also in the most in succession, and um, there's just an oh, and the recent season of Twin Peaks. He was in uh seven episodes of the new Twin Peaks in 2017.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. He was also Sully in a movie with uh Arnold Schwarzenegger, and uh Arnold Schwarzenegger is holding him upside down by his ankle over a cliff, and he's like, You said you would you said you'd let me go, and then he and then Arnold Schwarzenegger drops him and says, Sully, I lied.
SPEAKER_03He was oh go ahead.
SPEAKER_01There is a movie that I saw him in that scared the living shit out of me as a child. Uh it's kind of um I know you told me the name of it. Uh the the dream movie where they fold everything.
SPEAKER_03Inception.
SPEAKER_01Inception. Okay, so I believe Inception may have been inspired by a movie called Dreamscape, and it has um uh the guy from Inner Space in it.
SPEAKER_03I don't remember. Is it that's not Gutenberg, is it?
SPEAKER_01No, no, um I don't remember then. Randy Quaid's brother, Dennis Quaid.
SPEAKER_06Yes, Dennis.
SPEAKER_01I would say Dennis Quaid and um and Luther are in a movie called Dreamscape, and essentially Luther has the ability to enter other people's dreams if he's close enough to them, like in another room or something like that. And there's this little boy that is having dreams, and Luther goes into that dream and turns into a snake, and it fucking scared that I was young and it scared the shit out of me. Um, like I get scared over the weirdest shit. Uh like things I know that can invade my brain and and torture me, like changing into a dog, like the shaggy dog scared the shit out of me because it's like there's no way I can control that. Someone else has a ring and they're reading the curse off the ring, and I turn into a dog. Fuck that. I don't want anything to do with that. I'm asleep, and fucking Luther is coming into my dreams and turning into a snake man. Fuck that. I don't want that. Um, like poltergeist, it's like no problem, leave the fucking house. I can control that. No problem. Um, you know, Freddie, no problem. I'll stay up all night, no problem. But like Dreamscape, it was like he could get into your daydreams, whether you're awake or asleep, or whatever. And I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, no. So highly recommend watching Dreamscape. It was a fun movie.
SPEAKER_03Also, uh, David Patrick Kelly was in John Wick and John Wick 2, and the ru one of the uh uh not not rumors, but they say that uh act for act the the final act of John Wick 4 is loosely based on the Warriors journey.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, and they yeah, they included the DJ uh scenario as well. Um and there's a there's a tabletop uh game called Cyberpunk, and the creator Mike Pondsmith uh fully credits the Warriors with inspiration of creating Cyberpunk, which then turned into Cyberpunk 2077.
SPEAKER_03My favorite driving game of all time. Fucking love driving in that game.
SPEAKER_01That's so funny. And Patrick Mills, the uh the the senior quest designer for that, said totally he watched Warriors and totally got inspired from it.
SPEAKER_06It it creates like I called them at first. I was like, what is that? What is this reminding me of? And it's like Final Fantasy or something. It's it's very like like I said, it's very video gamey. You've got your like flamboyant teams that have very defined, like sort of qualities and and uh not abilities, but like the the Furies use a baseball bat, you know. You could just have a gang with baseball bats and not invoke the base any of the other baseball elements, but in this they're like make them baseball players. That's the that's the vibe, that's the uniform. And like, I don't know, there's something again, it's that like final fight. Like, here's the baseball guys, so they have a bat. So watch out for the bat. You have to jump over the bat now. Like that is that to your whole thing.
SPEAKER_01Uh, speaking of final fight, Akira Nishitani, the designer of Final Fight, fully credits the Warriors. Nailed it, nailed it. So, yeah, I mean it it goes deep, not just movies, but video games. Uh and I I think uh D12, which is uh Eminem and 11 of his friends, uh did a song and a video that fully inspired by this. Uh it is not quite to the level of Scarface uh having an impact on on hip-hop, but it is it is up there. There's there are many the the list goes on and on of people that have either sampled or inspired by or you know got the vibe from or whatever to to create music. And and the Warriors is very deeply embedded in the New York culture um because it was filmed in the Bronx. So uh and so yeah, based on all of that, I would say yeah, it's a very popular movie, it just uh could have been much more popular if it didn't have to rely solely on the the word of mouth. Um because marketing opening day uh um numbers and box office receipts isn't an inflection or it is not a reflection of how good of a movie it is, it's how good the marketing is. And you know, I guess part of the boost was hearing all the news reports of all you know, this movie caused gang fights and everyone's and you you're not supposed to see this and everyone running to go see it, but that's only an initial boost of a little, you know, yeah. You can only get so much juice out of no, you can't have it. Um, because after a while, and you know, as the numbers go up, the the mystery uh or or the intrigue of not being able to see it, it's like, well, everyone's already seen it. Why do I want to see it now?
SPEAKER_06Um so it's kind of a it's not even gonna make me violent and join a gang. What's the fucking point?
SPEAKER_01You know, so it's kind of a double-edged sword. Like it it did give them initial boost, but then it died out quickly in that whole thing. And and by the time the wanderers did hit the theaters, warriors were kind of gone.
SPEAKER_07Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Um, but the people that do see it love it and they hold it deeply to their heart. There um there's warrior conventions, there's uh there's actually like a uh tour uh that people take every now and then uh to go riding the subway along the warriors route.
SPEAKER_03I really want to do that next time I go to New York. I think that would be super fun. And plus, Coney Island is like the Warriors, it's Mr. Robot, it's so many things.
SPEAKER_01Oh, yeah, and I brought up the Wonder Wheel. Um, there's a movie with Richard Pryor called The Toy. And in that movie, he is at a toy store and he is where uh they have a toy called The Wonder Wheel, which is a giant inflated wheel that you stand on and roll, and uh the scene where it deflates, and then he has this emotional outbreak of the Wonder Wheel dying and stuff. Uh, very impactful to a young me uh watching Richard Pryor and Jackie Gleason interact, and and just it was it was a world-class uh acting uh display, uh, even though it's the silly ass movie, um, but every beat of it is on time. And I think someone in this movie had something to do with Brewster's Millions, which is also another great Richard Pryor movie. So again, it just continues to like it just continues to reach out, and everyone involved in this movie went on to create everything that I've loved from the 80s.
SPEAKER_03So a lot of folks discount how hard it is to act well in a comedy movie, but I honestly think it's more difficult than a drama because it's like uh Christian was saying earlier about how I like to spread joy instead of all the negativity on the internet and in the world these days. I think it's easier to be negative, I think it's harder to spread joy, just like it's harder to do comedy. It's easy to cry on command, but it's much harder to time a joke right to get a laugh.
SPEAKER_06Oh, and yeah, fake laugh sucks, you know.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01Um we just recently watched uh the television show Ted season two. So good. And um no, seriously.
SPEAKER_03Uh, if you haven't watched either of the Ted seasons, it is an excellent sitcom. Like Alana Ubeck plays the mom, and she is this the role of her career.
SPEAKER_06Yeah. This is like the the Bostonian, like very like uh prim yeah, mom, like total, just total mom, perfect mom.
SPEAKER_03Oh my god.
SPEAKER_06I've seen 15 clips of it, but it's it's one of those things that you you Ted came out and it didn't seem to like be a big thing, and then he kind of moved on to other projects. And then I started seeing clips, and I'm like, oh, I guess it's a show now.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, I'm like, okay. Two seasons. Uh really, I think it's a great show. I loved both seasons.
SPEAKER_06Okay. So McRollin actually makes mostly quality stuff, I think.
SPEAKER_03Oh, don't even get me started on the Cleveland show. It's like my favorite card in the couple.
SPEAKER_01But there is a scene in Ted where he join like where he joins uh the play. Basically, he's trying to get into college or something like that, and they tell him that he needs some extracurriculars and and whatnot. The whole thing.
SPEAKER_03The whole sitcom storyline.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, the sitcom storyline. Uh, yeah, do a couple things and you know, pick up some trash, and you'll get into college. Um, but he joins the play and uh does a scene where he's acting and he's just phenomenal. And um, someone asks him how he could act so well, and he basically said, Well, I watch a lot of movies, and if you want to act, you either gotta say something really loud, really soft, or or something else. And uh, it's like, yeah, that's drama. Say it loud, say it soft, or uh or say it mysteriously, or something like that, and and that's drama. But acting in comedy is so so much more deep and and painful. Like you've got to really dig deep to to act in a comedy, or not overact, which I think is very easy to do.
SPEAKER_06And because like a comedy, really, you're you're trying to dig out a certain response from somebody. You're not you you're not looking to have them kind of like, hmm, okay, that was a part of this movie. Okay, now we're on to the next part. It's like there, here's this beat. We want we want to laugh here, we want, and then, and then we need like a rest period. It's like it's more like music, like you need to weave between like these, like, you know, you can't you can't look too stern, you can't look too sad, you know. You need to have the right amount of sad for the joke to be funny if that's the joke, you know, like that that kind of thing.
SPEAKER_01And um, I like comedians end up being the best dramatic actors. I mean, uh Robin Williams, uh Tom Hanks, uh Jim Carrey, Jim Carrey, Brian Cranston, yeah, yeah, like an incredible goofy dad on on Malcolm in the Middle, and then the hard left on everything else he's done.
SPEAKER_06Like, he made he like almost made me cry in Godzilla, like the Godzilla reboot that they did that Gareth, I think Gareth Edwards did, and he's like crying because his wife just died, and I'm like, holy shit! And it's incredible.
SPEAKER_03Oh god, yes. Also, Ron Swanson, what the fuck? Nick Offerman.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, Nick Offerman, great, yeah.
SPEAKER_01And it's it goes down to um some I believe it was the Pixies that it's loud, soft, loud, or soft, loud, soft, or some loud, loud, soft, loud, and comedy is very like punk rock and comedy are very much in that same vein where it's like you have to wake them up, draw them in, and then slap them across the face, and comedians know that, so bringing that to a drama role um hits so much harder and so much deeper. And you know, it I think that's uh I think the Warriors were able to do that too. Like they had the respites and you know, in the right places, they had the the slamming around in the right places, and they just basically drew you in and then pulled you and then just hit you harder.
SPEAKER_03Honestly, I think the pacing in the movie is impeccable. There's not really any downtime that is boring where something's not happening that's interesting, uh, and it's never moving too fast either. I think they do a good job of telling the story in the time allotted, and it's an under two-hour movie, which there's not enough of those nowadays.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, yeah, it's 92 minutes. I said two hours, it's 92 minutes, yeah.
SPEAKER_01And I think the wanderers came in at like two hours.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, the wanderers was longer, it was two hours.
SPEAKER_01There was a lot going on.
SPEAKER_03One thing I will say about both of these movies that we watched recently, and in addition to these two movies, we've been watching a lot of Brit Box because we got a subscription for some reason. Uh, it's a long story. Uh we've been watching a lot of Brit box stuff, but I noticed real teeth, I noticed skin texture, I noticed hair that didn't look perfect, and it's really refreshing. Like the movies that are being put out now, the TV that's being put out now, they try to make them look like real people, but their skin is all smooth and their hair is all perfect, and their teeth are all veneers. Like they don't look people, actors don't look like real people anymore. And it's really sad to me.
SPEAKER_06And watching Blake Lively in the shallows, and she just looks amazing right up until she gets rescued or whatever.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_06Like, no, I don't believe that. Put like Susan Boyle out there, put somebody who get a sun gets a sunburn.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, and even when they try to make somebody look bad, like this. I I didn't like Susan Serenan for a long time because she got not I have a lot of Oscar grudges. She got nominated in 1996 for Dead Man Walking, and she was up against Elizabeth Shu for leaving Las Vegas, which was my fucking favorite movie that year. Nicholas Cage deserved his Oscar. I love that movie. I will never get tired of it. The soundtrack is Sting's best work. But uh Susan Sarandon ended up winning for Dead Man Walking, and I remember her saying in an interview after that that it was the hardest movie she ever made because she had to watch herself on screen without makeup. And I'm like, fuck you. How is that the hardest thing you've ever done? You privileged little woman. Like it really made me angry.
SPEAKER_06That kind of that almost makes me feel it's like, yeah. Welcome to being normal.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, exactly.
SPEAKER_06Like, I'm actually glad that happened to you.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, yeah. I said I like I like Susan Serenin again, but I've been really mad at her for a long time. But I can't, she's Janet. What I what can you do?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, there's some there there's sometimes when you're in a cult classic, it just gives a lot of forgiveness. Yep, yep, yep.
SPEAKER_06So um yeah, dude, Tim Curry's been, I mean, he's made a career out of it. Just go just running from cult classic to cult classic.
SPEAKER_03He's the cult classic guy.
SPEAKER_01It's like did did you were you of the age to watch Fern Gully? Oh yeah, I was.
SPEAKER_06Oh yeah, I was that might have been that might have been like so early that the Tim Curry was like like the Tim Curry seeped in my psychology before me knowing yeah who that was or that that could happen or that that was happening actively, and so like the very idea of like Tim Curry's presence, his like vocal presence, because that's obviously an animated film where he plays the bad guy, uh, which is pollution. Uh but it's like I mean if you could have if you could not have picked a better voice than the guy who sounds like he's melting every time he says anything. He's so good, like as anything, but like, hey, uh, do you want to be a goop monster? And it's like, who else was on your list? There can't have been that many names.
SPEAKER_01Uh, he also played the whale in uh an episode of Monk, and many people say that he did far better than like for some reason. Um, the actors that played the character of the whale in Monk uh only did it one time each. I think he appeared four different times, and it was like, I don't want to do this more than once because it's a a lot of work because it's a giant, giant bodysuit. Um, like it's a very large man uh to the point where he can't move on his own.
SPEAKER_03Picture the whale from the movie The Whale.
SPEAKER_06Oh, this is this is this is interesting. I I'm not familiar with the monk uh mythology mythos. So like you the whale, it's like this is a recurring guy who gets recast because nobody wants to do it again.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_06Okay, and he's a large he's just a large man, and one time it was Tim Curry.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_06Okay, I'm on board. I'm on board in my head. I don't know what I was thinking of. I'm like, this has to be a guy, but I don't know. You're just saying the whale. Does he and does he have a hallucination of a whale at one point? It's Tim Curry.
SPEAKER_03That's much more psych-coded, I think. Wait, yeah, that's much more psych-coated.
SPEAKER_01Um, I I couldn't think of any other movies that uh have impacted us as strongly as the Warriors. Um in the way that the Warriors hit.
SPEAKER_03Uh there's the ripples. It's the ripples.
SPEAKER_01And and again, the fans of it are deep, deep, really loyal fans. Like if you go like IMDB, uh, if you go to the trivia section of every movie, there's there's a few tidbits. Uh some of the movie, like some of the more popular movies have a little bit more. The trivia section for the Warriors just goes on and on.
SPEAKER_03It's over 50 deep.
SPEAKER_01And it like it gets real, real deep. And um anyone that like there's tours that people do, there's uh there's a bunch of documentaries, whether it's well done or just a YouTube thing. Um, and again, people are searching for more and more because there seems to be more and more every time you watch it. Uh, and it unfolds, and it does have a lot of connections, and and it is a great representation of a Greek tragedy, a Greek story. There, like I like I said, uh, there's a scene where they're uh they get split up, and one guy is at a bench with a and sees a lady, and he goes over there, and she ends up being a cop and arrests them. And you know, it represents the call of the sirens, and then the other group ends up joining it, uh joining up with a gang called the Lizzy's. And uh the Lizzies invite them back to their apartment for a party, and the idea is that they're luring them in to kill them so that they could be the group that captured the warriors. Again, call to the sirens, because it's it's just one of the it's part of the it's one of the beats that are involved in a Greek story. Uh, and you know, it does follow the hero's journey pretty pretty well, and it does hit all the marks of of a what makes a story a story, and it's not, hey, here's here's the instructions you have to follow. Uh when when Campbell put together the the hero with a thousand faces, he didn't say, here's how you're supposed to make a story. He said, I've watched a thousand movies, and the ones that everyone agree are good have this in common. I'm an autistic fellow, and I've done the pattern recognition for you.
SPEAKER_06And George Lucas saw that and was like, Oh, so that's just how I'm gonna make my movies from now on.
SPEAKER_03Fun fact about the cop uh that's the mom from big.
SPEAKER_06Oh, yeah. He looks familiar. I love that though. I love like, I mean, I I think the Greek thing for me was that it just felt like uh it had the same vibe uh uh as like um the Odyssey, where it was like, oh, we're just going to different islands and getting into trouble. Or Voyage of the Dawn Treader, if you read Narnia, it's the same, it's the same exact structure. Uh it's just but the I it's it's funny because just the islands are the different places of New York that you and I know that they just have are walking to. It's so it's they're just walking or taking a train, or the you know, but the but the ways in which they make that like more movie and more epic and more Greek is like, oh, they're hopping on the subway as the rival gang is trying to get them, you know, instead of a literal magical siren, it's this hot lady cop who's like, Oh, I love I love young men, you know. Like, no, they don't it's 1979, no one's ever heard of a lie before. So, you know, it's it's all new to them.
SPEAKER_01And it it's it's a little bit more uh ethereally impactful because it's there's no McGuffin, like in late Raiders of the Lost Ark, there's a McGuffin, and they've got to get this thing, they've got you know, it's like that thing doesn't really matter, but in this story, the McGuffin is I just want to get home, yeah.
SPEAKER_06Just getting to a safe place.
SPEAKER_01And if you've ever gone, you know, bar hopping. Uh if you've done a bar crawl and you know, it's you know, you're at a uh an after hours club at four o'clock in the morning and you're trying to catch the bus, you understand that journey, you know, you the epic Greek journey of I just want to get home. Like, I don't care, like I I might have lost my wallet, I don't care. Uh like um crap. Uh there's a we watched a couple movies that are just like that, but it's it's a very uh it's very realistic and it hits home because everyone has had that moment. Like shit has just gone bad, and it doesn't like it'll be okay if I just get home and be done with this, and then I'll deal with whatever it is at a later date. Just every red light along the way.
SPEAKER_03Well, isn't isn't that movie the world at the world's end kind of that? But it's like an alien invasion or some nonsense.
SPEAKER_04It's robots in World's City.
SPEAKER_01They were actually on a they were on a quest to hit all the bars, though. They weren't trying to. I guess they might have been at the end they were trying to get home. Well, um, uh the other one, um the zombie one.
SPEAKER_03Shauna the Dead.
SPEAKER_01Shauna the Dead is essentially I gotta go get my mom and get her to a safe place and the safe places back home or a representation of home. The pub. And right. Yeah, the pub. You know, getting just getting to that safe space.
SPEAKER_06Uh and you want to talk about a comedic actor who is uh really doing doing the right things and doing the most. That scene at the pub. Oh, yeah. Is like gut-wrenching. He's he's awesome, Simon Pegg. After kind of being like, like, haha, this is the ha ha funny. Look at look at us shooting him putting a peanut butter and jelly sandwich together like it's a horror movie, ha ha ha la la la. And then it's like, nope, Pierce is real acting about this situation. I don't want to spoil it. I mean, Sean of the Dead's also kind of an older movie, but you should watch Sean of the Dead if you haven't.
SPEAKER_03Oh, yeah, 100. I'll watch the entire Cornetto trilogy. The entire Cornetto trilogy.
SPEAKER_06The ice cream and blood. Is that what they called it? Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Um, and one of my favorite gimmicks, I uh I don't know if it's a gimmick, but uh device storytelling devices is the uh opening scene where they tell the entire story, and you're that you just it's done in such a way that you're just like, oh, they're having a conversation, but then you re-watch it and you're like, Oh my god, they told the entire plot of the movie at the beginning. And uh in Shawn of the Dead, they're sitting at the pub at the beginning, and he was like, Oh, here's the plan for tonight. We're gonna do this, grab by do this, grab mom, do this, come back here, and then have a couple shots at the pub. Yeah, yeah, that's the refrain. At the end of the movie, and at the end of the movie, you find out the shots at the pub are them shooting a shotgun at the zombies, and you're like, Oh my god, that's clever. So I love clever people, and I love uh Easter eggs, and I love people that do more than is necessary to entertain the masses because I'm not the masses, and I I can watch a movie and enjoy it and be done with it. Uh, but if I'm gonna watch it multiple times, I like to cut back the layers and and keep digging and digging and digging. And like I said, uh I've said it before, I'll sit there and watch a movie with IMDB open, or with you know, I have one tab of IMDB, one tab of Wikipedia, and then you know, Google searching a bunch of other stuff. So it's like, oh my god, there's so much more. There's so much more. This is awesome, this is great, this is this is amazing. And The Warriors is absolutely one of those movies that it just every time you read about it, every time you look at it, it just gets deeper and deeper and deeper. And you know, Greek tragedies are just stories of people traveling around doing things, but when you dig in, it's there's a reason there's a cyclops, there's a reason why uh you know he has to get Medusa's head in order to turn the crack into stone. There's a reason there's a mechanical owl, there's all these reasons for all these things, and the more and the more you watch it and the more you learn and the more you research and the more you dig, the more your brain expands, and and the more you can understand humans as as not just oh, those are the black fellows over here, those are the Irish people over there. It's oh my god, we all have the same struggle, we all have similar struggles, we all have uh problems. We in if we just join together, we can take out the people that are being assholes and destroying the world.
SPEAKER_06But in order to not get caught by the feds, we gotta make it symbolic. Yes. If you do it straight up, they'll just be like, nope.
SPEAKER_01And unfortunately, the more symbolic you make it, the less people understand it because they're a fine line.
SPEAKER_06It's a fine line to walk. And media literary, but good news, media literacy is pretty much dead, so just make what you want. Yeah, literally just make it what you want because it's going to be if the Warriors was released now, it would be misinterpreted.
SPEAKER_03Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_06I mean, I feel like it probably was back then with all the fights and the things, but people I think had less to do, and they I feel like these days uh there's like a weird imperative to be like, I have to tell people my opinion about this. You know, that's almost kind of that's partially even what this like podcast is, is us trying to be like, hey, here's what we think about these things. So, like, but like in 1979, I feel like it was like uh maybe it was a little more like I can have an opinion on this and just keep it to my damn self.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01And you know, ruminate on it like on as you're riding the subway and going, yeah, I'm gonna be nice today because everyone's got a struggle.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_03Like something impacted you, you know, something got got in in I feel I feel like there are fewer and fewer of these movies that lead you to think about them afterwards. Like it's almost like they're making movies these days for people to watch and then like delete from their brains once they're done watching. And that's one of the things that I appreciated very much about the movie The Drama that came out this year. Like I saw it a couple months ago and I still can't stop thinking about it. Like Logan and I have talked about it many times. Like the drama is one of our number one topics of conversation, and it's just a movie. Um, but more movies where people can talk about them afterwards and like dissect them and and where the answers aren't necessarily uh clear. Like, I don't I don't know. I'm babbling.
SPEAKER_06Like uh maybe I guess people are like, oh, I heard that movie was weird. Go watch that movie. Yeah. Like uh my my uncle, we were talking about movies and just what I had watched recently um at a at a family dinner the other day, and and he was mentioning he was like, Oh, he watched Hereditary. Oh, and he did not care for Hereditary. I understand it. The the I'm not 100% sure because I myself haven't seen Hereditary. Oh, but my thing with Hereditary is like the the con what's interesting about Hereditary is not Hereditary itself. I'm sure it's a fine movie. What's interesting about Hereditary is the conversation surrounding it. Yes, which large which, aside from this, has largely been like, is this a horror movie or is it not a horror movie, or is it a psychological thriller? What is this? That's a very interesting conversation to have around a movie. So when someone says, like, oh, this movie is weird, or this movie made me feel uncomfortable, I'm gonna be like 10 times more likely to watch it because it's someone who's doing something and it made you go, No, that's more interesting. If I I am so much more interested in a movie that you rejected, honestly, than than like I don't know, most movies, it's like uh it was how's Thor five. Okay, what uh what happened? Was a bad guy? Oh, is he good? Christian Bailey's guy who's working are the jokes funny, yeah. There's some jokes, yeah. You know, and it's like all right, yeah, they're just like doing stuff to like they're like, Do you remember this? Remember, hey, comic people. Do you remember when uh floor was a girl for a minute? All right, cool. Look at that, like you jingle the keys, you know, and then you move on. Um, and so when and then you have something like uh like a Yorgos Lanthamos uh movie, like a like a poor things or a the killing of a sacred deer, and your uncle goes and watches it, and he's like, It's a huge piece of trash. I think it sucked. I didn't get it. It was just like murder, and people were acting weird, and then you're like, Okay, I'm gonna go watch this. Also, by the way, I think killing of the sacred deer based on a Greek tragedy of some kind.
SPEAKER_03Oh, I I would a hundred percent agree with that.
SPEAKER_06Um, and Poor Things is like a weird uh it we Poor Things is like uh uh Emma Stone is uh Frankenstein and she is trying to figure out her uh sexual identity. And it's like, well, that's the that's more interesting than the Marvel movie you mentioned. That's you know yeah, that's just yeah, hate it or love it. You make me want to go see it by like it's just such a bizarre thing, it's so easy to reject because it's not mass marketed, it's made by uh uh people who want to make art. Yeah, for things is also like a kind of like the set design is incredible. The costumes, uh Willem Defoe, who is good in everything, is also good in this, and you should watch every clip that there is of him as the Dr. Frankenstein equivalent.
SPEAKER_03Like honestly, one of Mark Ruffalo's best roles, too.
SPEAKER_06It was a delight, is a delight and an insane person. Uh god, dude, the beginning. I went and saw it with my girlfriend at the time, and he says, My goodness, what a very attractive retard you have there. And she just turned to me and said, That's me. Uh, and I just thought that was just very funny. Like, it's go and see the stuff that's like daring and weird. What do you what do you have to loot? Like, is there like some kind of weird clout that you lose by going to see a movie that might not be what you thought? I know that every not everybody goes and sees movies for the deep art of it, but yeah, oh it is. I think we're maybe the lesser for it for that being such a common attitude. Because these are what when you see someone act well, you go, Oh, this is why you get paid millions of dollars. Like you're just being a whole other person right now, and that's I don't know if that's still worth it, but like when you see someone really do it, you go, Ah, there's the art. That's the thing that we've fallen in love with as a as a society. This is this is the thing. Um, and so go see those things where people do that.
SPEAKER_01That's yeah, for for me, I uh poor things came off as a as a a uh basically a feminist manifesto. Not not not a manifesto, but an explanation of why there are feminists. And uh I I credit uh in when I was in 11th grade, uh I was on the yearbook staff, and my schedule didn't align properly, so I couldn't I had to it was yearbook was sixth period, but for some reason I had to take it fifth period, and um Clancy Jones uh was the one of the other editors, and she had it the same period as I did, and she educated me fully on everything that was going on with her body. Um just basically if she would come in with a bottle of Mylanta and like a bottle of aspirin and say, This is what's happening, so don't talk to me, or this and that, and whatever. So I inadvertently got an education onto why women act the way they do during certain periods of time, and it wasn't just oh, you're on the rag, it's like no, you're in deep, deep pain from this thing or that thing, or or this bloating, or that, or whatever it is. And so like I fully I fully understood it. Plus, I grew up in a house with uh my mom and two sisters, um, and so it was like I did like when people became I just thought it was common that dudes would be supposed to understand, and it was like the idiots that didn't, and I didn't realize I was spoiled in being a good person because not to brag or no, I know what you mean though. I know you mean my mom, my mom brought me up in a way that like everything like like I said, I just thought Blondie was a normal band. I thought talking heads was a normal band, I thought all this stuff was just normal, and it was like, oh no, this is the wack-adoo end of the spectrum, and my mom was just weird, and she didn't give it like you know, my dad stealing cable to so that I could watch all these fucked up movies late at night and listening to all this fucked up music. I had no idea that like I thought the doors were just an oldies group, I didn't know that they were transcendental and causing all this ruckus and shit until the movie came out and everyone started wearing Doors t-shirts. I'm like, that oldies band? What are you talking about? Yeah, so um watching um watching poor things, it's like okay, I understand what she's going through because I've been educated on why she's going through these things, and I understand why she's lashing out at this point or just going over the deep end on that point. That's like it's just that's a normal reaction to the situation she's in, and you can't judge her for it because she's just reacting on the information provided to her, and it's like that's how I act because when I have a full-blown meltdown, it's based on the information that's right in front of me, and it's like no one can understand that I'm seeking specific information so that I can move forward, and if I don't get that, it's like uh if you drove a car into not an into like you pull a car up to a brick wall and touch the bumper, and then you just push the gas pedal down, the car's not going anywhere, and eventually the engine's gonna blow out, and it's like that's what Emma Stone was portraying very fucking well, every scene of the movie. She was just revving her engine into a wall that didn't allow her to go forward because of the rules of society or the control of men or whatever it is, and she just pulled it out. And like, while I don't don't fully understand the struggle that she was going through, it replicated the struggle that I go through, and it it was just fucking magic.
SPEAKER_06And then, you know, I mean, and she's Emma Stone is great in everything, literally everything. Um, but yeah, no, I mean it at the same time, it's the movie is also Frankenstein and looks incredible. So it's like it's like, hey, you know, come for the come for the Frankenstein, maybe leave a little smarter if you didn't have that that piece of the puzzle before, maybe you have that piece now.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01Definitely, definitely the second best rendition of Frankenstein ever created.
SPEAKER_03So first young.
SPEAKER_01Okay. Young Frankenstein is definitely the greatest.
SPEAKER_03Although I will I will say that the most recent one with Jacob Alordy was good as hell.
SPEAKER_06I saw a clip of that. It looked uh looked real good.
SPEAKER_03He was he's great. I know some people like to hate on Jake, Jacob Alordi for some reason, probably just because he's in euphoria, but I think he's a fantastic actor and he's gonna stand the test of time.
SPEAKER_06I'm just laughing because of just remembering Peter Boyle as Frankenstein's monster in Young Frankenstein, and just all I but all I can think of is like his his character every time he uh every other time he's been on TV, which is just it's like uh I don't I don't know what's happening.
SPEAKER_05Well well, are you bringing me back from from the dead or something? What are you doing over here? What is this? Raymond. I love him.
SPEAKER_03Before we wrap up the Warriors, I did want to talk about the Lynn Manuel Miranda's concept album that came out a couple years ago. Um he Lynn Manuel Miranda watched the Warriors for the first time when he was four years old. And if you don't know who Lynn Manuel Miranda is, he's the guy who wrote Hamilton um and starred in Hamilton. I always forget that he was actually in it as well. Um but a couple years ago he did a concept album uh to be he says it's just he at the time he said it was just a concept album and he had no intention of making it a Broadway show. However, about a month ago, um a posting went up on all the Broadway boards looking for people to help workshop the dance scenes for this thing. They're obviously gonna bring it to Broadway, but the concept album, uh, he it's gender bent. So the Warriors are women and most of the gangs. Um like um they're all Broadway people, you won't know them, but interestingly, Cyrus is played by Lauren Hill, and her big song is called Can You Count, and it's so fucking good. And one of the great things that Lin Man, well, Miranda did with this um concept album is each of the gangs have a different musical style, like the Turnbull ACs have like Latin flavor, and um there's some other gangs that aren't in the movie, like the Hurricanes, the Bussies, and two of the original Warriors um Luther and Ajax are in the concept album as cops, which I think is hysterical. But my favorite casting in um the Warriors concept album is the guy who plays Luther. Uh, and like I said, they do different musical styles for all of the different gangs, and the gang that Luther is in has like a glam rock, almost Screamo sound to it, and he's played by an uh Australian uh heavy metal dude named Kim Dracula, and the Luther songs are the best thing in the show.
SPEAKER_06Like just Kim Dracula, the heavy metal voculist.
SPEAKER_03And it's it's great. Like, I hope when they do bring it to Broadway that I get to see Kim Dracula play this part and they don't recast it because it is pure magic.
SPEAKER_06Um, so Kim Dracula, both the like most wait, but it's gender-bent, so it's a lady.
SPEAKER_03No, it's Kim Dracula's only the warriors are gender-bent.
SPEAKER_06The rest of them seem to be pretty a man named Kim Dracula is the most Australian and the most metal thing I've heard simultaneously.
SPEAKER_03Oh, and Colman Domingo is in it. He plays um uh Cyrus's like right hand man. And um also in the in the in the show, each of the burrows are represented by a different person, and playing the burrows are ghost face killer and Riza, um Nas, Cameron, and Busta Rhimes, who plays Brooklyn.
SPEAKER_06That's like a Mount Rushmore, right?
SPEAKER_01What is Ghostface Killer supposed to represent?
SPEAKER_03Ghostface Killer and Rizza are Staten Island.
SPEAKER_01Okay, I was gonna say they can't. That's that's cultural appropriation if they're anything like Staten Island.
SPEAKER_03And Camron is Manhattan, Nas is Queens, and some person named Chris Rivers is the Bronx. I don't know who Chris Rivers is, maybe he's the guy we saw at the bar.
SPEAKER_06Chris Rivers is gonna end up being like he's a rapper that we know, but he's trying to use his real name now so that he I'm Dwayne Johnson now.
SPEAKER_03While we were talking, I looked up some of the other people. Um, and one dude, uh Utkar Ambudkar, plays one of the orphans, and I looked him up. He was back in like 2013, he was the person who workshopped the role of Aaron Burr before it was even like uh with on Broadway.
SPEAKER_06So I think that's that's the guy that looks like he looked like David Delmaschan, the the orphans guy.
SPEAKER_03No, this guy looks like anything.
SPEAKER_06Oh, okay.
SPEAKER_03I mean and Mark Anthony isn't it? Mark Anthony doesn't mean anything to me, really.
SPEAKER_06Mark Anthony?
SPEAKER_03Yeah, he's just like a person. I know he's like a he sings songs, but he's not my kind of sing song or song singer.
SPEAKER_06Isn't that like the isn't that was that Mark Anthony is uh Emperor of Rome or something?
SPEAKER_03Oh, yeah, there we go. We brought it back to Rome.
SPEAKER_01All roads lead to Rome. Truly.
SPEAKER_06We're doing six degrees of Rome every episode of the podcast.
SPEAKER_01Uh so yeah, at the end of all of that, uh, it is a popular movie. It is definitely a popular movie, and it it is going to have a resurgence, and it is time for a resurgence. Uh, if they pull off the musical, they'll end up doing a Netflix series or something like that.
SPEAKER_03Uh but I will go see it on Broadway, no doubt.
SPEAKER_06Warriors Lunchbox, you got Warriors Warriors Jean Jacket, all kinds of Warriors merch.
SPEAKER_01Uh so I guess uh we already did the check-ins, we did the shout-outs. So I guess what is left is uh what's the next question on our list?
SPEAKER_03Esports has uniforms.
SPEAKER_06I feel like this was one of mine that we had in passing.
SPEAKER_01Um so uh yeah, we're gonna hand the reins over to Christian and let him lead the way next time. Uh, because all I know is there's a giant stadium in Texas, and that's about it. So uh if you're willing, uh we'll hand the reins over and you can educate us on uh esports.
SPEAKER_06I'll do my best. It's a very strange thing.
SPEAKER_03I'm so excited to learn about it because it's very rare that I don't get to I get to learn about something I like know nothing about. It's like my knowledge about esports video games is the Fred Savage movie called The Wizard, and that is from the 80s.
SPEAKER_06It's the Power Globe. I bet you like I know very little like really about the modern, like I know sort of where it's come from, but I feel deep, deep down, the wizard has something to do with all of this. Because that was like the big competition thing. Um, but we will find out because I don't think it's just that either.
SPEAKER_01All right, and remember the Warriors. It was filmed in the Bronx in the friggin' Bronx.
SPEAKER_03All right, bye later.
SPEAKER_02No, it was nothing.
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